Tigers/Rockies TRADE

[Tigers GM (Max)]

Tigers TRADE:
-- Eugenio Suarez CIN SS, $500K (2)
-- Chase Whitley NYY RP/SP, $0M (2)
-- Roberto Perez CLE C, $300K (1)
-- Mark Canha OAK 1B/LF, $300K (1)
-- Kyle Lobstein DET SP, $300K (1)
-- 2015 Pick 1.09
-- 2015 Pick 1.30
-- 2015 Pick 2.09
-- 2015 Pick 2.11
-- 2015 Pick 3.15
-- 2015 Pick 4.24
-- 2015 Pick 5.03
-- 2015 Pick 5.06
-- 2016 2nd (DET)
-- 2016 3rd (DET)

Rockies TRADE:
-- Dustin Pedroia BOS 2B, $0M (2016, $15M thru 2017, $16M thru 2018, $15M thru 2019, $13M thru 2020, $12M thru 2021)
-- Adam Wainwright STL SP, $1.5M ($19.5M thru 2017)
-- $9M in 2016 on Wainwright

Wainwright is out for the year. He is hurt. Injured. Again. Like he has been showing more recently. So obviously his value takes a hit. Whitley is starting with Tanaka hurt. Perez is starting and playing well with Gomes out until June (and if he continues to impress Gomes can move to a different position while Perez catches). Lobstein is starting and pitching damn well. Canha has been hot to start the year. Suarez could see time this year and if not, he still has value as a prospect. Plus, all of those picks which have so much value that seems to be diminished recetly for no reason. And Pedroia has a poor long term deal and is now where near what he used to be (16th 2B on the PR last year and only 9th this year behind superstars like Alex Guerrero (who doesn't start), Marcus Semien, and DJ LeMahieu). So please just pass the deal. It's obvious this is what we both want. Let us run our teams the way we wish; that's all we're asking here.

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Apr 29, 2015 13:11:08 GMT -6 Tigers GM (Max) said:

Tigers TRADE:
-- Eugenio Suarez CIN SS, $500K (2)
-- Chase Whitley NYY RP/SP, $0M (2)
-- Roberto Perez CLE C, $300K (1)
-- Mark Canha OAK 1B/LF, $300K (1)
-- Kyle Lobstein DET SP, $300K (1)
-- 2015 Pick 1.09
-- 2015 Pick 1.30
-- 2015 Pick 2.09
-- 2015 Pick 2.11
-- 2015 Pick 3.15
-- 2015 Pick 4.24
-- 2015 Pick 5.03
-- 2015 Pick 5.06
-- 2016 2nd (DET)
-- 2016 3rd (DET)

Rockies TRADE:
-- Dustin Pedroia BOS 2B, $0M (2016, $15M thru 2017, $16M thru 2018, $15M thru 2019, $13M thru 2020, $12M thru 2021)
-- Adam Wainwright STL SP, $1.5M ($19.5M thru 2017)
-- $9M in 2016 on Wainwright

Wainwright is out for the year. He is hurt. Injured. Again. Like he has been showing more recently. So obviously his value takes a hit. Whitley is starting with Tanaka hurt. Perez is starting and playing well with Gomes out until June (and if he continues to impress Gomes can move to a different position while Perez catches). Lobstein is starting and pitching damn well. Canha has been hot to start the year. Suarez could see time this year and if not, he still has value as a prospect. Plus, all of those picks which have so much value that seems to be diminished recetly for no reason. And Pedroia has a poor long term deal and is now where near what he used to be (16th 2B on the PR last year and only 9th this year behind superstars like Alex Guerrero (who doesn't start), Marcus Semien, and DJ LeMahieu). So please just pass the deal. It's obvious this is what we both want. Let us run our teams the way we wish; that's all we're asking here.

lol

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Rockies accept. With Cartwright being out for this year and this being his 2nd major injury I see no point in keeping him on a rebuild team. Pedroia is on a downslope and with a large drawn out contract does me no good. Lobstein and Ganga have been doing well as of late and are project to continue a good pace. Perez is making a showing for himself if not for this year than years to come. The picks are nice upside and will give a good amount of prospect potential. That is why I accept.

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Veto. I wouldn't trade the pedroia for the #9 and I wouldn't trade waino for basically 4 2nds in a weak draft and other garbage mlbers. Its ironic that tigers is arguing about the value of those mlbers as being valuable now with injuries and what not while simultaneously insisting this helps the COL rebuild. So basically they have no value... Sorry boys.

[Diamondbacks GM (Jason)]

Pass

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allow

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@krypto27 why do you keep trying to make this deal

even if he is hurt, youre trading a top 5 pitcher in baseball on a reasonable contract and the only piece that jumps out that you get in return is the 9th overall pick in a relatively weak draft
and im sure you can get more for pedroia then a few 2nds and 3rds in the same weak draft
Canha is decent but Perez is currently hitting 162 and Lobstein and Whitney are both nobodies

I dont doubt your drafting skills
Its just that this is still a shit deal

Veto

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I have to disagree Lobstein has been doing well in the pitching rotation and although he isn't a top Pitcher yet he has solid potential.

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If the only point I made that you have the problem with is the value of Kyle fucking Lobstein in a deal where you traded Adam Wainwright

Then I think were done here

[Tigers GM (Max)]

Apr 29, 2015 20:29:48 GMT -6 @sanders68dbacks said:

@krypto27 why do you keep trying to make this deal

even if he is hurt, youre trading a top 5 pitcher in baseball on a reasonable contract and the only piece that jumps out that you get in return is the 9th overall pick in a relatively weak draft
and im sure you can get more for pedroia then a few 2nds and 3rds in the same weak draft
Canha is decent but Perez is currently hitting 162 and Lobstein and Whitney are both nobodies

I dont doubt your drafting skills
Its just that this is still a shit deal

Veto

Not sure where you got your info. But Perez is hitting .225 with a .475 SLG%, 3 HR, and 6 RBI in only 40 AB. So you're wrong there.

To dismiss Whitley and Lobstein is absolutely atrocious and proves that maybe you shouldn't be voting on this deal. Please, please look at how they have been doing this year (Lobstein in 4 starts and Whitley in his first of many yesterday) and tell me they are "nobodies". Yan Gomes, Josh Donaldson, Collin McHugh, and several others were "nobodies" before they broke out. Not saying these guys are them, but to dismiss them before looking at how they have performed and how much longer COL would control them for virtually no money is ludicrous.

Lastly, you also dismissed Waino's injury. An Achilles injury is serious for any player, but for a pitcher who needs to push off his leg, it can be more serious. The recovery time is up to a year, meaning he may not be ready for Opening Day next year. You seem to think this is worth nothing, but it worth a damn lot considering he isn't exactly a spring chicken and that this isn't his first injury, either.

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veto because max is annoying me more than oren

[Tigers GM (Max)]

Apr 29, 2015 20:38:11 GMT -6 @sanders68dbacks said:

If the only point I made that you have the problem with is the value of Kyle fucking Lobstein in a deal where you traded Adam Wainwright

Then I think were done here

I picked everything apart. Your move

[Tigers GM (Max)]

Apr 29, 2015 20:44:08 GMT -6 @padresgm said:

veto because max is annoying me more than oren

I'd like to move for this veto to be stricken from the record. Obvious personal reasons involved.

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Its quite simple. In the grand scheme of this deal 2nds and basically mediocre at best mlbers isn't enough. Injury or not Wainwright is worth a top 5 pick in this draft considering he's one of the top pitchers in the league when healthy. Sure there is risk but there's such a low chance that the #9 in this draft turns into someone even half as dominant as Wainwright that that offsets any risk as far as I'm concerned. Then there's pedroia, sure he's seemingly on the decline but he's still a very good mlb 2B and he's worth a blue chip asset for sure. Whether a very good prospect or a very good pick. Throwing a bunch of mediocre at best mlbers that likely won't ever reach his production and then 2nds that likely won't scratch a starting job in the mlb, doesn't equal the value he should be getting for pedroia, bulk or not. Sorry u feel I'm being unfair but that's how I view it.

[Marlins GM (Jeremy)]

Sounds good, pass, if Krypto is happy with the deal then why not